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05 February 2010 @ 05:23 pm
SPN 5x13: The Song Remains the Same  
This one used to have a different title (Back to the Future Part II) but I'm guessing they couldn't get it okayed for the end.

Anyway, my thoughts on the episode.



My fave episodes are the ones that deal with the Winchester family, so I knew I was going to love this one right away.

It didn't disappoint. I loved it.

I got Michael coming to Dean as John! Wrong John, but still John. Ha. And he's awesome. He's so powerful that all he has to do is snap his fingers or touch a person and bam.

Sam's first time time-traveling encounter and his first meeting with his mom. (No, hallucinations and Mary's ghost don't count.) He was so overcome. Poor guy. Dean's an old hat at this by now and already went through his emotional meetings.

It was nice that Sam got to "apologize" to John even if John didn't know what he was talking about. I figure Sam has been holding that in since S2, so it was nice to see that. Dean is different, of course, since he didn't need to make the same kind of peace that Sam did.

Overall, this was really a heartbreaking episode for Mary. Her life is a dead end. Nothing she ever hoped and dreamed would ever come to pass. So sad.

John said yes to save Mary. *sniff* And she was preggers with Dean. D'aw.

meg_tdj and I so called this episode. Good to know my kripke-fu is on task!

And I'm convinced now that Dean will say yes to Michael. I don't know why or how, but the fact that Michael said that when he was done, he wouldn't leave Dean basically a dead husk makes me believe this was the out the writers wanted. They can have Michael possess Dean and then get him out and still have Dean somewhat in one piece.

I still don't know why Sam and Dean can't hear/see angels if they have the right bloodline for it. And I think I missed something there. Did they explain how that works? Kudos to superbadgirl though for being persistent in saying that Sam and Dean (or at least Sam) was special in that regard. I didn't think they would go there for either brother.

The very end, though, with Mary saying that "angels are watching over you." I know that was a call back to S2 when Dean told Sam that Mary used to tell him that before he went to bed, but what do you suppose prompted her to feel that warm toward angels? I know she can't remember anything. She probably picked up the angel statue based on a deja vu feeling of angels. But what would make her feel like angels were watching over them? And in a positive way? Misreading of her feeling of familiarity? Or when Michael wiped her and John's minds, did he leave some kind of suggestion making her feel warm towards angels? Just curious on your thoughts.

Twas an awesome, awesome episode though. Much love. SPN just rocks so hard. I'm so glad I'm a fan of this show :)

Smallville in a few hours!
 
 
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Autumn Dandelion: Supernatural - Sam on the roadautumndandelion on February 6th, 2010 01:24 am (UTC)
Comcast's channel guide still said that was the name of the episode, so I was pretty freaking surprised when I saw the other title.

She seemed to think of angels in a favourable light. What's interesting is that she'd seemed all what-the-hell when Dean brought up angels in the first place, and now she has one over his crib.

And Sam just broke my heart.
Working for the Mandroid: Rock Paper Scissorsmoonshayde on February 6th, 2010 02:03 pm (UTC)
Yeah, she did a 180 (in my mind) on her stance on angels so it makes me wonder if Michael sort of left a suggestion in her mind, or if she's just misreading the residual feelings from an event she can't remember.

Twas an awesome episode though :)
Nervous, Messed-Up Marionette: boys croatoansuperbadgirl on February 6th, 2010 04:04 am (UTC)
*curtsies*

I really liked this episode. It's the first one in a long while that left me all twitterpated afterward. I wondered about Mary's sudden change of stance on angels - something of what happened must have stuck, and yet if that's the case, wouldn't she be more afraid of angels than take comfort in them?

Hmmm.
Working for the Mandroid: Headlightsmoonshayde on February 6th, 2010 12:47 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I don't know if Michael happened to plant a suggestion in her head to feel kindly toward angels or if she's just misreading that sense of deja vu she must have from having experienced an entanglement with angels even though her memory was erased.
Library Alterna-Chick ;)jedishadowolf on February 6th, 2010 12:34 pm (UTC)
This ep was fantastic. I'm thinking Michael must've planted the suggestion for Mary to feel kindly towards the angels. But Michael also said it was Dean's bloodline, which is Sam's bloodline as well so does that mean Lucifer could take Dean instead? I can honestly see Dean agreeing to that in order to keep Sam from having the guilt of being Lucifer's vessel.
Working for the Mandroid: Angel Trapmoonshayde on February 6th, 2010 12:45 pm (UTC)
I don't think Lucifer would be interested in Dean that way. Sam is tailor made for him. He has demon blood. He's immune to several demonesque problems, including the Croatoan virus that will lead to massive world devastation. Dean doesn't have those immunities.

Since Michael and Lucifer are set in believing that everything is fixed, they have no need to find other ways. Lucifer will have Sam and Michael will have Dean. It's very simple for them and how it should be.

Which is why I hope Team Freewill shows them just how awesome it is to be human ;)

(Though I still suspect by series end Dean will say yes, and Sam may as well. How they get out of that, I have no clue.)
Library Alterna-Chick ;)jedishadowolf on February 6th, 2010 12:51 pm (UTC)
You're probably right, but wouldn't it be a twist if they did force a change in the grand plan? Granted I'm all for Team Freewill stopping the apocolypse w/out the Angels help.
Working for the Mandroid: Cutie Pie (Dean)moonshayde on February 6th, 2010 12:54 pm (UTC)
Oh I love twists. I'm just reluctant to the idea of Dean being Lucifer ;)
Library Alterna-Chick ;)jedishadowolf on February 6th, 2010 12:55 pm (UTC)
I don't want to see that either, though the thought of him in the white suit is kind of amusing. :)
Muse Chaser: Misc ~ Awesome!platysseus on February 6th, 2010 02:16 pm (UTC)
Loved this ep. For many different reasons. As I said in my recap, I think it restored my trust in Kripke for this season, and for the very end of the show - whether that's this year or next.

TV's been rather awesome this week: Chuck, Lost, Supernatural and I've heard Smallville was too. *impatiently waits for a download*
Working for the Mandroid: C.K.moonshayde on February 6th, 2010 03:39 pm (UTC)
I loved Smallville!

I never gave up on Kripke so...it was business as usual for me ;)
     Mandya_phoenixdragon on February 6th, 2010 06:50 pm (UTC)
So, so good!! I loved this ep!!

He probably did - just so that she could cryptically let Dean know that they were there.

*hugs*
Working for the Mandroidmoonshayde on February 6th, 2010 08:51 pm (UTC)
I loved it too! It sucks that the ratings were so low.
MegTDJ: SPN - Mary b&wmeg_tdj on February 6th, 2010 07:44 pm (UTC)
The hearing-angels thing? I keep wondering if that's a measure of faith rather than a bloodline thing. The whole Biblical idea of only hearing God's voice if you're open to it, you know? They can hear the angels they're the vessels for, but not any of the others because they're not open to them. Or something. I don't know. :P

I also wonder if maybe Michael only suppressed Mary and John's memories, so they were left with a feeling that something happened but can't quite put their fingers on it. And that maybe that's how John found out about what was coming for Sam... he tapped into those memories somehow. We've never been told how much John knew, after all. Maybe he knew everything. Hmm.
Working for the Mandroid: Castiel Sweptmoonshayde on February 6th, 2010 08:56 pm (UTC)
See, where I keep getting caught with with the angels is that Sam and Dean can't hear Lucifer of Michael, and they are their vessels. Sam and Dean were both crippled by the sound of Lucifer in the premiere. I'm assuming if Michael came in true form, they both would react the same way too. Lucifer has communicated successfully with Sam via dreams and vesseling Nick. Not directly. And Michael has now talked to Dean in John as a vessel.

Why can't they understand them? I can buy it was a measure of faith thing, but it just puzzles me why Jimmy could understand Castiel's true voice just fine and Sam and Dean can't even hear their specific angel partners.
MegTDJ: SPN - Castiel rebel for Godmeg_tdj on February 6th, 2010 09:04 pm (UTC)
Jimmy couldn't understand Cas the first time. His voice gave him a full-on seizure, remember? And we don't really know if it was Lucifer's voice or just the noise of him rising up from prison that was deafening for the boys there. Maybe Sam would have heard him if he'd actually spoken.

I hope they clear it up for us at some point.
A.vella_amor_dm on February 15th, 2010 03:08 am (UTC)
this episode was amazing! i like absolutely everything about it!! :D