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15 February 2008 @ 10:51 am
Do You Sue?  
Mary Sue, that is.

Come on. Admit it. If you're a fanfic writer, it's likely that at some point or another, you have written a Mary Sue. If you haven't, awesome for you. But if you have, it's nothing to be ashamed of. In fact, Mary Sues tend to form early in our writing careers and can be used as a marker for progress over time. (Of course, then you have the ficcers and the pros that never let go of their Sue. That's another story for another day.)

So, do you Sue? I sure did. Why not share your tale of Miss Wonderful with us all? I'm sure it will brighten our day. Doesn't matter the fandom. Let's all have a good laugh.

My Sue was named Essence Liivion. (EssieLiv? Oh yes. That EssieLiv.) She was a character in my Star Wars fanfic novels that I wrote when I was 14.

She was the bestest character EVER. She was special. She was awesome.

Why was she special? First of all, she was gorgeous. Not just pretty, but this drop dead gorgeous magical beauty that made people just stop. All the men loved her and the ones that didn't, wouldn't admit their secret admiration for her. For you see, she just wasnt beautiful, she had spunk. She spoke her mind. She was strong. Most women hated her because she was so omg awesome, but what did they know? They'd come around eventually.

She had fiery red hair and this emerald eyes that were like green marbles. She had perfect porcelain skin. (She outgrew her freckles, of course.) She had tons of money and power and respect.

But that's not all. She also had Luke Skywalker.

See, she grew up with her grandmother on Tatooine. She was Luke's best friend in their childhood. She moved away as they entered their teen years after her grandmother got dementia, just as Luke was becoming close to Biggs. In my stories, they met after time apart and rekindled their friendship. Only, they were in denial over how much they cared for each other.

That's not all, though. How did she get all that power?

She was the Emperor's daughter, of course. Not that he wanted children, but it happened. He tried to kill her (but she didn't know) until he realized he could use her to advantage. So, he kept her around and she became pro-Empire and anti-Jedi.

So, OMG! Will Essence get over the differences between her and Luke so they can recognize their One True Love?! Because you know, it was ALL about her.

But wait. There's more.

Her mother was from this race of special people that had awesome powers of persuasion. They were a selfish destructive race and could control people with just their presence. Essence, only half of this race, had limited powers and it would express itself mostly through her singing. (Yes! She could sing!) But she still had a magnetic personality. So she had to fight against herself, her past, and her twu wuv.

And she had the Force.


When I started rewriting the novels in my late teens, I tried to dampen the Sueness of her character, but most of these traits remained. If I were to go back and make all the changes I wanted to make, she would be a lot less of a Sue, but at this point, I am more concerned with my own writing to worry about correcting old fic. Besides, it's all part of the learning experience. I can always mine some of my better ideas and integrate them into other stories at a later time. But I'll always have these old stories to look back on.

Thank goodness I never posted them online. The only person that really read them had Mary Sue issues of her own ;)

So that's my story. What is yours?
Current Mood: amusedamused
lyore: Nine and Rose slantlyore on February 16th, 2008 12:10 am (UTC)
Your Sue is Impressive. Most Impressive :P

Like some of the commenters above, my Sue never made it of my 'Mental TV' and onto paper, due to a combination of laziness and a love of continually rewriting scenarios to suit my mood. Thankfully, this laziness has saved me from having any embarrassing Sue-fic floating around the internet.

Among other things, my Sue was a crossover!Sue. She started out a SW Sue, remarkably like Mara Jade (although in my defence, I invented her long before the EU came on the scene - take that, Timothy Zahn!), but made some forays into Harry Potter, and even, on occasion into SG-1. She was a very versatile Sue :) and sometimes, when I'm bored, I still daydream about her
Working for the Mandroid: Jedimoonshayde on February 16th, 2008 12:46 pm (UTC)
I also had a lot of Mental Tv going on for the longest time. I don't know what got the idea to actually start writing them out. Hence, the birth of Sue.

It's funny that you mention Mara Jade. I created Essence before I knew who Mara Jade was. Then I started reading the EU books and I was a little huffy over the whole thing. Emperor's daughter vs Emperor's Hand? Hmph. And the characters ended up being a lot like. Don't people argue Mara Jade was a Mary Sue too?

But yes, your Sue was a fandom/show hopper like some of the others here. That's interesting :)

Now, when I am bored I don't daydream about her. I just ship myself with the pretty boys ;)
(no subject) - lyore on February 16th, 2008 01:31 pm (UTC) (Expand)
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brihana25: face palm (hahaha)brihana25 on February 16th, 2008 01:02 am (UTC)
What a fantastic and timely idea! Timely because, as it turns out, just last night I started re-reading The One With the MarySue (which I wrote so long ago that I honestly don't remember what all happens in the story).

Actually, I've created two MarySues, but only one of them made it into a finished story. The other one... well... she became me!


I was 27 when I wrote her, so I should have been old enough to know better. I'd been writing fanfic for years, but had only been on the internet for two years and had no idea that such a thing as "fandom" existed until about six months before I wrote the story she makes her oh-my-God-I-wish-I-could-forget-her appearance in.

Her name is Jaden Peck. She's 19 years old, with wavy blonde hair and "turquoise eyes." She's a college student, Pre-Med actually. Though at one point she does turn and blurt out, "I *am* a doctor!" to someone who was saying they needed one... but she's just full of crap sometimes. Oh, and she can shoot all of her father's guns, because for some reason, he thought it was very important for her to learn. Her mother died of cancer when she was 15, and her father was shot and nearly died not too long after that.

Oh, her father's name is Face. :)

She's not got any of the real "hallmark" signs of being a MarySue. The only really remarkable thing about her is her "turquoise" eyes, but that's really more of an overdone description that annoy the crap out of your readers common color used to describe Face's, and since he's her father, it makes since that her eyes would be the same color.

No, what makes her a true MarySue (and unfortunately the one thing about her that will remain in any rewrite I might do) is her purpose in the story. You see, she's the reason Face left The A-Team. She got so mad at him for nearly dying (so soon after her mother died, and how dare he risk leaving her an orphan, boohoohoo poor her) that she made him promise he'd leave them as soon as they got their pardons.

And despite that, she's also the reason he ends up getting back together with them (because it's obvious they're just as much his family as she is, and she knows she could never abandon Face, what with him being her father, so why did she ever think she could force Face to abandon Hannibal, blahblahblah...)

So yeah, there she is, in all her appalling, revolting, nauseating wondrous glory. Ain't she great?
Working for the Mandroid: Here for Youmoonshayde on February 16th, 2008 12:54 pm (UTC)
Your Sue was Templeton Peck's daughter? Oh that is just too funny!!

I love how we've seen a variety of Sues that people have had. They are the duaghters of characters, the one true love, the kick-ass chicks, the plot/character motivators, the matchmaker. It just amazes me.

Now, I need an A-Team icon.
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Traycer: omatraycer_ on February 16th, 2008 02:13 am (UTC)
Ha! That was great! Hearing about Mary Sue's really lightened up my day. :)

I don't think I've ever written a Mary Sue, although I can't say what others think of my characters. *grins* Of course I didn't start writing my stories down until I was... *cough* well let's just say it was a few years ago. :) Anyway, it was long past my teen years.

But, I do have an original story in my head that will never be written, which did include a Mary Sue. She was not very pretty, had an unhealthy thirst for revenge against the bad guys and was always beaten down by the main character, but she was clearly based on me. And you are right about recycling the better ideas to integrate them into other stories. I can find bits and pieces of the plot ideas from that story (and the others that have been a part of me for a long time) in the fanfiction I write nowadays. Just not the Mary Sue, or should I say the Sheryl Sue. *snicker*

Gosh, I miss that story. Maybe I could revisit it for awhile, in between the SG-1 fics I'm supposed to be working on. Or better yet, create a new one, complete with shiny golden hair that makes her look like an angel, violet eyes and all.
Working for the Mandroid: breathemoonshayde on February 16th, 2008 12:50 pm (UTC)
So your Sue was a Sue in disguise? ;)

I seriously think that development of Sues, whichever form they take and whether they make it to paper/computer or just remain in our heads, is just part of the growing process of becomign a writer. It's also part of being human. Fantasies. Wanting to explore. Trying to find a connection to a character you love. I just find it all so interesting :)
mehhhhhh: [Janet] impressivecnidarian on February 16th, 2008 04:26 am (UTC)
Haha! Classic.
Working for the Mandroid: Her Gazemoonshayde on February 16th, 2008 12:48 pm (UTC)
Loony Loopy Lea Lovegoodchickadilly on February 16th, 2008 06:22 am (UTC)
HEE - my Sue would have to fight your Sue then because she was also the ONE AND ONLY 4EVA for Luke Skywalker.

Actually I had more than one Sue - the first was Ciarra Darklighter. She was Bigg's kid sister- then there was Cassandrea (not simply Cassandra - no my Sue was Cass Andrea - shortened to Cassandrea ... HA) and she was also Bigg's sister. Biggs was the oldest and Cassandrea and Ciarra were his little sisters. So of course they were also best friends with Luke growing up. Cassandrea went on to meet Lando and they hooked up.

She of course had raven hair, vibrant blue eyes and was able to play just about any musical instrument ever invented. Ha. Ciarra on the other hand was Force sensitive and Luke trained her to become a Jedi. She was also a clone of some sort - I forget how that worked. Something to do with this woman who became evil Emporess of a planet. I forget what her deal was - I think she and Vader fought it out to be Palpitine's favourite and Vader killed her. Or something.

But anyway then there was Tristi Summersky who turned out to be Han Solo's long lost sister - and of course fell madly in love with Luke.

LOL This is all so hilarious reading it - in fact I think I'm going ot post it on my LJ, too. XD

What can I say? I was also 14. HEE!
Loony Loopy Lea Lovegood: Phoebe: Looking Upchickadilly on February 16th, 2008 06:29 am (UTC)
Oh gosh,I just realized I don't know if I ever introduced myself to you. I met so many nice folks on the SV friending meme last week ... just in case ... Hi. I'm Lea and I'm from the SV friending meme. We seem to have both SW and SV in common, thus the friending. :)
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crayonbreakygalcrayonbreakygal on February 16th, 2008 07:07 am (UTC)
Just so you know I totally Mary Sue'd Star Wars too when I was a teenager. Except my character was in love with Han Solo, at least at first. You really can't compete against Leia, now can you. OMG, I can still remember how bad the writing was!
Working for the Mandroid: Taking Namesmoonshayde on February 16th, 2008 12:47 pm (UTC)
Yikes. Leia vs Sue? That had to have hurt LOL
seacrystal on February 16th, 2008 04:37 pm (UTC)
Here goes. :D Only difference is that my OC is a 'he' -- I believe that Gary Stu is the term?

His name is Jonathan Kent, Jon for short. Clark's and Lois' son. He inherited Clark's good looks of course and his mom's tendency to get into trouble. Half of the school was in love with him. He's a heartbreaker of course. But a very kind-hearted guy under all that bluster. He's his mom's rock through the difficult times.

But I love him anyway lol.
Working for the Mandroid: Beginnings (Smallville)moonshayde on February 16th, 2008 04:40 pm (UTC)
LOL That is awesome.

I love the range everyone has with their Sues or Stus :)
Bells y Blue_bluebells on February 17th, 2008 07:11 am (UTC)
Your story has really brought back some memories for me. I laughed and then laughed some more as I remembered the ridiculousness of my own Sue creation.

She was created to undo the ending of the Peter Pan-inspired film Hook wherein Rufio dies and all are sad -- though inspired -- because Peter Pan leaves them for the really real world at the end of all things.

I may have been eleven when I first started writing and when I finished I was around thirteen, the story spanned two novels and had managed to rope in around five fandoms to aid the Sue's dirty work.

No one (even the author) knew where she came from, although she was most beautious, fiercely tempered and tight-lipped about her purpose in Neverland. With the help of their resurrected leader, she reconciled the Lost Boys who had divided after Pan's departure. She brought to their attention a colony of Amazons that had managed to escape any mention in Sir Barrie's telling of the tale against a legion of Bacchai (sp?) and pirates bent on inter-dimensional conquest!

They had blackmailed the Goblin King (yes, that 1986, cabaret Goblin King) and his family for their interdimensional knowledge, who appealed to the kingdom of kingdoms for help -- Crystal Tokyo and its one Queen Serenity. Of course.

She was a diplomat, a singer, possibly an empath, she wiped the floor with any challenger, and oh, did I mention -- an ice skater? She also became an immortal when I became increasingly aggravated with her and needed to throw her under falling debris, but wasn't convinced she should stay down.

A lot of details escape me, most of them admittedly repressed, but it cracks me up to realise what a Sue'd!crossover it became: Peter Pan, Xena: Warrior Princess, The Labyrinth, Sailor Moon, Star Wars, Anita Blake: Vampire Hunter, Buffy: The Vampire Slayer and quite possibly more.

After that epic experience I went on a long writing hiatus, having Sue'd enough for a lifetime. When I went back some years later and realised I'd written nothing more than fanfic, I decided to try again -- without the Sues.

Thank God those stories never met the internet.
Working for the Mandroid: Embracesmoonshayde on February 21st, 2008 02:40 pm (UTC)
She was a supreme ice skater too? Go her ;)

That's pretty awesome. It sounds like you jammed as much imagination as possible into this thing. It must be fun to look back at it and smile.

And yes, At least they are not on the internet. Those of us that didn't put those up, get to kep those Sues locked away ;)
(Anonymous) on February 21st, 2008 01:55 am (UTC)
i'm not sure if mine are "sues" or not. i didn't even admit to myself that i wrote fanfic until recently, "holly crap! i write fanfic?!" i just called them "stories".
an OFC didn't show up in any of them until recently. they aren't perfect. they don't have unique eye color or "extra special" names. they aren't very attractive (but others think they are) & are slightly overweight. but they are smart, strong & sarcastic. and will eventually win the heart of the hero.
i've put a version of myself into dozens of TV show & movies over the years, but almost none have made it into fanfic form.
Working for the Mandroidmoonshayde on February 21st, 2008 02:42 pm (UTC)
There are so many kinds of Sues it's hard to keep track sometimes.

But they're fun arent they :)