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11 February 2011 @ 10:21 pm
General thoughts on Supernatural  
Just have a few thoughts on the show so far this season, including tonight's episode...

I really love the monster angle in Season 6 and how these monsters are out recruiting and turning people. That is the kind of stuff I love (obvious from most of my fic) and I'm glad they're exploring it this year. Makes the XF person in me happy :)

In general, I've been happy. I feel like the writing is pretty tight, the acting is great, and the characters have grown and changed (and stayed the same in many ways) without becoming OOC. There have been a couple of eps where I think TPTB could have done better with the characters, but overall I've been very satisfied.

I think my big complaint this season for the first half was that I felt they did the soulless Sam thing for too long. I know why they did it, but I still think it was too long. Glad his soul is back.

But I am a little disappointed. And this is just MY opinion. Sam will obviously be having flashbacks and some massive issues from coming back from Hell. If they swept that all under the rug, I'd get annoyed. I'm more disappointed in that this was exactly what I wanted to see with Dean in S4. I expected flashbacks. I expected fallout. I expected him to totally zone out or have fits. They built up how bad it was in Hell, and how Dean wouldn't be the same. All we got was emo!Dean who whined and had some angst.

I'm glad they are doing it for Sam since it makes sense. They SHOULD do it for Sam. I'm just annoyed they didn't do it for Dean as well. Maybe one day I will get my wish that something really cool will happen to Dean that we can actually see and Sam can angst about it.

Or maybe I'm just discouraged because my dog is sick.
Current Mood: tiredtired
jessm78jessm78 on February 12th, 2011 04:01 am (UTC)
You know, I'm so glad to hear another fan who doesn't hate this season. So many comments I've read are from people who want the show canceled. Especially in one particular comm that I had to stop visiting. But my thoughts in general on the season are pretty much like yours.

As much of a Sam girl that I am, I was a bit disappointed about how they handled the fallout from Dean's time in hell, too. I wanted to see him have fits and things like that. The emo angle really annoyed me.

Sorry to hear doggie is sick. :( *hugs*

Edited at 2011-02-12 04:02 am (UTC)
Working for the Mandroid: Walk Togethermoonshayde on February 12th, 2011 04:47 pm (UTC)
No, I love this season. That's why I stay away from those places, LOL.
MegTDJ: SPN - Dean breakdownmeg_tdj on February 12th, 2011 05:51 am (UTC)
Yeah, I'm still waiting for Dean to hit rock bottom over everything. He's been through enough just since coming back from hell to send him "howling to the nuthouse", let alone what happened IN hell. The alcoholism and the few breakdowns he had in season 4 were great, but where'd it go? I'm kind of hoping they do a flashback ep for Dean where we at least get to see him dealing with Sam's death when he first went to Lisa.

I think they're just trying to ram it home that what Sam went through was a thousand times worse for ten times as long, which is understandable. But it's SO GOOD to finally see inside his head for a while. It probably won't last for long. ;)

*hugs* I'm sorry your dog is sick. :(
Working for the Mandroidmoonshayde on February 12th, 2011 04:46 pm (UTC)
Can we add that to the list? Make sure we see Dean hit rock bottom with some consequences. I mean, it's nice he's such a strong character and all, but...

His dad told him he'd have to kill Sam.
He's been afraid Sam would go darkside.
He's lost countless friends and loved ones.
He died, went to Hell, was tortured, and was a torturer.
He got caught in a war between angels and was supposed to be a vessel
He nearly committed when he almost said Yes to Micheal.
He watched Sam say yes, get taken by Lucifer, smash his face in, Cas and Bobby die, and Sam sacrifice himself to the pit.
He suffered a year of grief knowing Sam was in Hell.
No one tells him Sam is back
Goes through months of problems, including possibly losing Ben and Lisa because of soulless Sam.
Gets turned into a vampire.
Gets taken by fairies and Sam doesn't care
Taes the job as Death only to find that Sam was about to kill Bobby.

Dude, the fact Dea hasn't cracked is a miracle.

Now, Sam is equally as messed up and can have a whole list of crazy thing too. Which is why I am so glad that they are actually addressing it. Dean was in Hell and according to Rufus being dead is better than that. Sam was in the Pit and that is 10x worse (and for longer time). We need to see fallout for both of them!

So yeah. Seeing Sam go through it was a bit like rubbing salt in old wounds. I feel gypped that Dean didn't get anything like that. I'm thankful they are doing it with Sam though.

I always get a little nervous posting my thoughts out here because I don't want it to be misunderstood as Sam bashing. I'd be flipping out if they didn't address Sam's time in Hell. It's vital. I mean, come on. But at the same time, I'm still annoyed we never saw something with Dean beyond some PTSD and emo stuff. I hope they will address it some day.
MegTDJ: SPN - Sam Dean my car!meg_tdj on February 12th, 2011 07:10 pm (UTC)
Added! Because yes. He's nowhere near well-adjusted enough to be dealing well with all of the above.

And I still wonder what it meant that Dean's soul was "dead." Sam's has been "skinned alive," which is... ouch. But Dean's was supposedly all numb and unresponsive, making him despondent. Somehow I'm guessing a year of "regular life" while struggling with his brother's death wouldn't have cured that, and while Dean is an expert at bottling things up and never dealing with them, it seems to me that something like that would come back to bite him at some point. So yes, definitely on the list. *sends vibes to Sera*

But I do feel as though this Sam storyarc is making up for lost time a little bit. They didn't show us much of him dealing with losing Jess, nothing at all of him dealing with losing John, then losing Dean took up half an episode, and the demon blood thing was mostly glossed over from his POV since we never saw the initial "should I or shouldn't I" when it first started, and then we got too-happy-and-carefree Sam for 11 episodes this year... so I think we've both been short-changed at times.

At least Dean's emotional turmoil was pretty constant for a while in S4 and 5. We did see inside his head quite a bit, especially when he had to deal with remembering torturing people, and we saw him having nightmares for quite a while. I'm betting this Sam thing will have a quick fix somehow, and we'll end up with some more Dean insight soon enough.
Working for the Mandroid: Bedside (SPN)moonshayde on February 12th, 2011 07:30 pm (UTC)
See, that's what I mean. I don't want you to think that I feel that Sam and Sam girls have it made or get whatever they want. Clearly, that's not the case. This show is notorious for not letting us know what is going on with Sam, opting instead to keep most of his story "mysterious." I like when they use elements of why and how a mystery, but not Sam's mental space itself. It was awful what they did with Sam and John and *I* noticed it when I first watched S2, which I tend to miss such things. They built up this big antagonistic relationship between John and Sam in S1 and then S2...little follow up. The Dean stuff was great, but it would have been cooler if they would have compared and contrasted Dean and Sam's reactions.

Then Dean gets back from Hell and because Sam is the mystery, we're not sure what he's thinking or feeling.

So I'm just bummed because I feel like Dean's getting short-changed again on things I've been waiting to see for him, just like I feel Sam gets short-changed on other things. I hope we continue to get into Sam's head some more as the season progresses and that they'll eventually tap into something for Dean as well.
MegTDJ: SPN - Sam Dean pool of bloodmeg_tdj on February 12th, 2011 07:50 pm (UTC)
I know you don't think that, because I know you're not crazy. ;)

I'm just saying, it tends to go in cycles. The deep-insight phases don't stay focused on Sam for very long, so it wouldn't surprise me if they wrap the whole thing up after an episode or two and then let it fade into the background like Dean's did. All we've really seen so far was a 5-second flashback and Sam falling to the floor. I don't know what the preview for next week shows, but it's hard to tell what an episode's going to be like even having seen them, so it could be that we won't get much more than that. I'm certainly not pinning my hopes on it, from past experience. ;)

I think they're just making Sam's consequences different from Dean's because their experiences were so different. Dean was riddled with guilt for all the souls he tortured and the fact that he enjoyed it. It didn't sound like his soul was all that damaged otherwise. Sam's has been tossed around like a beach ball between Michael and Lucifer for... what, 180 years? Gah!! So the writers would have to be fast asleep to not show some serious consequences from that, LOL.

I'm not picking an argument or anything, I'm just saying that aside from their habit of letting these storylines fade into the background after a while, they do make the initial consequences of what happens to the boys make sense. So I'm sure there's more coming for Dean. And it's on the checklist now, so we can't go wrong. ;)
Working for the Mandroid: Sam with a gunmoonshayde on February 12th, 2011 08:03 pm (UTC)
Oh I know it cycles. I just want it all at once, darn it. Why can't I have my way?

I'm not trying to pick a fight or argue either. I'm pretty comfortable how they do things. They tend to use the same formulas and then tweak them slightly for each brother. So what I point out and what actually happens isn't much of a surprise to me. Doesn't make me shut up it seems, but I expect certain things to happen and I'm not all that surprised when they do. Many of the things I'd like I don' expect to happen, so when they don't happen I'm not boycotting the death of the show ;)

it just stirred up some stuff for me. I was like oh boo. I wanted to see that for Dean too! But I do that with Sam, too.

As you know, I'm enjoying the season and even I groan about something from time to time, show is still #1 for me.

Last night was a great episode and I am looking forward to more :)

MegTDJ: SPN - Sam Dean interesting theorymeg_tdj on February 12th, 2011 08:13 pm (UTC)
I know, it would be so great if both guys had something heavy going on at the same time, without one of them being all secrets and mystery. *sigh* But I guess when something huge happens to one, the other drops everything to try to fix it. So come on, Dean! Fix it! :P
Library Alterna-Chick ;)jedishadowolf on February 12th, 2011 02:06 pm (UTC)
Sorry to hear the dog is sick. And I'm right there with you and completely agree.
Working for the Mandroid: Blue Hazemoonshayde on February 12th, 2011 04:32 pm (UTC)
He's struggling to keep food down :(

But yeah. I'm always afraid to post my thoughts because I don't want to come off as complaining - I love this season so far - or have wildly negative people come on to start bashing. I'm just really disappointed over some choices with my fave character.
Sana's Scribblessanalayla on February 12th, 2011 05:42 pm (UTC)
I'm loving this season. I also agree that the "Sam with no soul" arc played for too long. However, there were some hilarious moments we got from that plot, so I can't complain too much. The only false note for me this season was the shapeshifter/dog episode. I thought that was rather boring.

Other than that, I think this season is going incredibly well and each episode flows into other with a good continuity that I don't see it a lot of other shows (yes, I mean you, SV).

Working for the Mandroid: Legendarymoonshayde on February 12th, 2011 05:54 pm (UTC)
Yup, as you can see, I love this season, LOL. I just have some minor complaints here and there as a fan.

I can always count of SPN to give me a well crafted show. I can't say the same for SV, which is a shame because I love it too.

BTW, did you hear the casting news for SV? I don't want to say it here in the event I spoil someone.
Sana's Scribblessanalayla on February 14th, 2011 04:44 pm (UTC)
I just saw over on the other site. I'm interested to see what happens, but I wonder how much he'll be around for? Just the final scenes? Or more?
A.vella_amor_dm on February 16th, 2011 01:01 pm (UTC)
i'm one of those who aren't happy with s6 but i like the plot ideas that are coming out.

Sam will obviously be having flashbacks and some massive issues from coming back from Hell. If they swept that all under the rug, I'd get annoyed. I'm more disappointed in that this was exactly what I wanted to see with Dean in S4.
MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY! i wanted to KNOW what they did to Dean, not just hear about it from various demons >:|